Thursday, March 6, 2014

The End Of Windows XP, What To Do

Many people and companies still use Windows XP, despite it’s age.  In many ways I can understand this.  After all Windows XP is a pretty light weight system when compared to newer versions of Windows.  It wasn’t that long ago that many netbooks were still being shipped with XP because Windows 7 was just to slow on them.  The problem for these users is that on April 8, 2014 Microsoft will end it’s support for Windows XP.  Starting March 8th Microsoft will have popup windows on your XP system to remind you of this.

winxp The image above is a screen shot from as you can see Windows XP users still make up a large portion of users!

What does this mean for you?

It means that you will no longer receive software updates, bug fixes and security updates.  This is very important!  Windows is a magnet for viruses, malware and other security problems.  If you have Microsoft Security Essentials installed this will continue to be updated until July 14, 2015.  However Microsoft still says not to consider your computer secure.

Another thing to consider is when an operating system looses support from it’s creators, it does not take long for other software and hardware creators to also drop support for it.  The next update of your favourite software might not be compatible with Windows XP.  Like wise the next printer, camera, scanner etc. you buy might not have drivers available.

What can you do?

The best solution will be to upgrade your Windows version.  Either Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 would be good choices, if you want to stay with a Windows OS.  Microsoft has a free upgrade assistant for Windows 8 that will tell you if your computer is able to run it or not.  They also have a data transfer tool that will copy all of your files, email, user profiles and settings from your old XP install to your new Windows 7 or 8.

But what if my pc is to old to run Windows 7 or 8?

If you’ve checked your computer and it’s processor is to slow or you don’t have enough RAM to run a newer version of windows, what can you do?

First if it is only a low RAM problem, I would suggest talking to a local computer shop.  They might be able to upgrade the RAM at a very reasonable price.  If your computer can’t be upgraded any further, buying a new computer might be the best choice.  Often you can also buy a nice used computer or laptop that is a few years old running Windows 7 at a good price.

If buying a new computer is just not something you can do right now and you really want to keep running Windows XP.  The best thing you can do is be very aware that there are weaknesses in your pc.  Run a good anti virus program.  I used the free version of AVG for years when Windows was my main OS.  Also keep a good anti malware program.  I would suggest changing browsers from Internet Explorer to FireFox or Chrome.  These will still be updated for security patches.  Be very carful of what websites  you visit and never click on links in your email or run things that have been forwarded to you.

Do remember though, eventually even anti virus software and other browsers will stop working on XP.

My personal operating system is Linux, I’ve tried and used many version.  All of the computers in our home use Linux as it’s main OS. It is very stable, secure and free!  I’ve taken computers that were slow as molasses running even XP and turned them into very usable computers running Lubuntu that doesn’t require much RAM to run.  OMG Ubuntu has a good article comparing Windows XP and Lubuntu in look and style.

Wednesday, February 12, 2014

Edward Stinson abt. 1795-1870 Ireland to Ontario, Canada

I posted a few years ago about the search for my 2nd Great Grandmother Margaret Stinson’s parents.  I did finally figure out back in 2012 who her family was although I continued to search for more proof.  Earlier in this past January I had a new 4th cousin DNA match pop up on AncestryDNA.  I was thrilled to see that she descends from a sister of Margaret’s, Jane Stinson who married George Kidd.  For me between the paper trail and DNA I know that finally this family group is proven.  However there are still more mysteries to figure out.

Their father, my 3rd Great Grandfather Edward Stinson was born abt. 1795 in Ireland according to Canadian census records.  However the 1871 census death schedule shows his birth year as 1790.   His wife was Jane, surname unknown.

The first record of this family in Ontario that I have found is the baptism record for Michael Love.  Michael was the son of Owen Love and Mary Stinson, eldest daughter of Edward and Jane Stinson.  Michael was born at sea 1 June 1842 and baptized in St. Paul’s Catholic church in Toronto on 3 July 1841.


Image 81, page 150
1842 July 3rd, Baptized Michael, sub condition, born on the 1st June last, 7th legitimate marriage of Owen Love and Mary Stinson. spos. Edward Stinson and Jane Stinson.

Source: St. Paul (Toronto, York County, Ontario, Canada), Baptisms, marriages, burials 1834-1850, pg. 150, image 81, Michael Love, baptized 3 July 1842; digital image, FamilySearch ( : downloaded 12 May 2012).

A later baptism of their son Owen Love records Edward as Grandfather Stinson.

The 1851 Canada census shows Edward Stinson living in Etobicoke, Ontario with his son William in the same home.

1851 Canada Census Edward Stinson

Edward Stinson, labourer, born in Ireland, Catholic, residence out of limits, age 55, male, married.
William Stinson, labourer, born in Ireland, Catholic, age 21, male, single.

While Edward is listed as married, Jane is not listed with the family.  It’s very likely that she died before 1851.

The household previous to Edward Stinson is the home of son in law Owen Love and daughter Mary Stinson.  Two households before them is daughter Catherine Stinson with her husband Thomas Lister.  I will post more on these families in another post.

The next census Edward Stinson is found in is the 1861 Canada census.  Now he is living with his daughter Ann’s family in Whitby, Ontario.  Ann Stinson was the wife of John Hallowell/Holliwell.  Also in the census is Edward Stinson Jr.


John Hallowell, farmer, born in England, Church of A, age 34, male, married.
Ann Hallowell, born in Ireland, Church of A., age 36, female, married.
John Hallowell, born in Upper Canada, Church of A., age 13, male, single.
Jane Hallowell, born in Upper Canada, Church of A., age 11, female, singe.
Ann Hallowell, born in Upper Canada, Church of A., age 9, female, single.
Elizabeth Hallowell, born in Upper Canada, Church of A., age 7, female, single.
Mary Hallowell, born in Upper Canada, Church of A., age 5, female, single.
Ellen Hallowell, born in Upper Canada, Church of A., age 3, female, single.
Edward Stinson Jr., born in Ireland, Church of A., age 26, male, single.
Edward Stinson Sen., born in Ireland, Church of A., age 70, male, widowed.

Source: and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1861 Census of Canada (Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: Operations Inc, 2009. Appreciation is expressed to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints for providing the 1861 Canada Census Index..Original data - Canada. "Census returns for 1861." LAC microfilm), John Hallowell, household, line 31, pg. 27, ED 3, West Whitby, Ontario County, Ontario.

The next record I have found of Edward Stinson is the 1871 Canada census death schedule.  He is recorded in Downie Township, Perth County.  He most likely had moved back with Owen and Mary Love.


Here he is recorded as:

Edward Stinson, male, age 81 (born abt. 1790), Catholic, born in Ireland, farmer, widowed, died in May of natural decline.

Source: 1871; Census Place: Downie, Perth South, Ontario; Roll: C-9939; Page: 1, Line 13

At this point I hit another mystery that I hope will soon be solved.  I have been unable to find a death or burial record for Edward Stinson (or his wife Jane for that matter).  Since Ontario didn’t require death records to be filed until 1869, even the next few years are hit and miss when it comes to finding a death record.  I have looked at the Catholic parish records in the area of Downie township and his burial is not recorded.  The Ontario Cemetery Finding Aid does list an Edward Stinson buried in St. Mary’s cemetery and notes there is no stone.  I suspect this might be the Edward I’m looking for, as his daughter Mary Stinson Love and her family are buried in the same cemetery.

I’m currently waiting to hear from the St. Mary’s Museum to see if they have obituaries for Edward Stinson and daughter Mary and her husband Owen Love.  Hopefully they will provide some helpful information.  I would be thrilled if they listed where in Ireland this family came from!

Children of Edward Stinson and Jane.

Mary Stinson born abt. 1820 Ireland, died 20 July 1892 in St. Marys, Ontario.  Married Owen Love in Ireland.

Anne Stinson born abt. 1824 in Ireland, died 7 October 1897.  Married John Hallowell/Holliwell.

Catherine Stinson born abt.1824 in Ireland, died 6 Feb 1906 in Etobicoke Twp.  Married Thomas Lister.

John Stinson born abt.1825 in Ireland,died 30 April 1898 in Drayton, Wellington Co., Ontario.

Jane Stinson born abt. 1827 Ireland, died 2 April 1909 in Wellington Co., Ontario.  Married George Kidd.

William Stinson born abt. 1831 Ireland, died 24 August 1904 in Whitby, Ontario.  Married Ellen Ann (Eleanor) Crawford.

Margaret Stinson born abt.1834 Ireland, died 17 September 1907 in Dufferin Co., Ontario.  Married James Mills.

Edward Stinson born abt. 1836 Ireland, died unknown.  Unknown if he married as I've lost track of him after 1861.

Do you have information on this family?  Are you related?  I’d love to hear from you!

Tuesday, January 28, 2014

Library and Archives Canada Digitizing CFE World War 1 Records

Earlier today Library and Archives Canada (LAC) announced that they would be digitizing the 650, 000 Canadian Expeditionary Force (CEF) records starting in March 2014.  These will be made freely available online.

Starting with surnames A to D they should be online by this summer!  For more information visit the LAC blog.

Thursday, January 9, 2014

Cracking Brick Walls Is it Eunice Buell or Crossman?

My 5th Great Grandfather on my direct maternal line is Adam Howatt born abt. 1785 in Tryon, PEI.  Adam died 23 Nov. 1871 in Augustine Cove, PEI.  He was the son of James Howatt and Marguerite Ulrich.

My brick wall on this line is Adam’s first wife.  All the trees I’ve ever found show it to be Eunice Buell.  Most of these trees have no birth or death dates and the few that do have no sources for the information.  The only other place I’ve seen Eunice Buell’s name is in some PEI family history books, that are again un sourced.  I’ve searched on and off for a few years trying to confirm Eunice’s surname and find out who her family is with out luck.

This past Monday we were under blizzard warnings and snowed in.  I decided to make some good use of this time and spent a few hours looking through records on Family Search. It looks like I’ve made some progress!

I first tried the PEI baptism records.  I have searched these before but always using full names or partial surnames.  This time I decided to try searching with only the first name Eunice, no surnames and no dates.

A few pages in I found a very interesting record.


Name:    Mary Howitt
Event Type:    Baptism
Event Date:    26 Dec 1824
Event Place:    Richmond , Prince Edward Island
Father's Name:    Adam Howitt
Mother's Name:    Eunice Cropman
Book Number:    1
Page:    19
GS Film number:    1487757
Digital Folder Number:    004594549
Image Number:    03891

Citing this Record:
"Prince Edward Island Baptism Card Index, 1721-1885," index and images, FamilySearch ( : accessed 07 Jan 2014), Adam Howitt in entry for Mary Howitt, 1824.

This baptism record matches the birth date and place I have for Mary Eunice Jane Howatt daughter of Adam Howatt and who was always said to be Eunice Buell.

The same record is on the PEI archives and has an added note that the fathers surname is Howatt.

Child's Full Name      Mary Howitt
Birth Date      12 August 1812
Place of Birth      Tryon River
Baptismal Date      26 December 1824
Place of Baptism     
Officiating Clergy      J.C. Jenkins
Father's Name      Adam Howitt
Mother's Name      Eunice Cropman
Church Name      Church of England
Church Location      Richmond
Record Book Number      1
Record Book Page      19
Entry Number     
Notes      Howatt

Unfortunately  I haven’t been able to find the baptism records for their other children yet.  I have 2 more children for this couple, my 4th Great Grandmother Ann Howatt born 1808 who married Bowden Gardiner and Frances Bell Howatt who married John William Robinson. 

I started looking in the PEI baptism index for surnames similar to Cropman.  I found a baptism record for Elizabeth Eunice Cropsman who was baptized about the same time in the same church.  Daughter of Benjamin Cropman and Ann Cannon.

Name:    Elizabeth Eunice Cropsman
Event Type:    Baptism
Event Date:    06 Dec 1824
Event Place:    Richmond , Prince Edward Island
Father's Name:    Benjamin Cropman
Mother's Name:    Ann Cannon
Book Number:    1
Page:    19
GS Film number:    1487753
Digital Folder Number:    004594545
Image Number:    02336

Citing this Record:
"Prince Edward Island Baptism Card Index, 1721-1885," index and images, FamilySearch ( : accessed 07 Jan 2014), Elizabeth Eunice Cropsman, 1824.

Some further reading and I found the surname is CROSSMAN not Cropman/Cropsman.  Baptism records for other children of Benjamin Crossman and Ann Cannon confirm this.  The parents of Benjamin Crossman Jr. are suppose to be Benjamin Crossman who married Eunice Stark.

Name:    Benjamin Crossman
Spouse's Name:    Unis Start
Event Date:    09 Dec 1784
Event Place:    Saint John'S Anglican,Cornwallis Twp,Kings,Nova Scotia
Indexing Project (Batch) Number:    M53410-2
System Origin:    Nova_Scotia-ODM
GS Film number:    1376193
Reference ID:

Citing this Record:
"Nova Scotia, Marriages, 1711-1909," index, FamilySearch ( : accessed 09 Jan 2014), Benjamin Crossman and Unis Start, 09 Dec 1784.

I have found a few trees that list Eunice Crossman as born in 1785 and married to Adam Howatt with the child Mary above.  They also list Benjamin Crossman Jr. as her brother born abt. 1798/99 in Nova Scotia.  The family later moved to PEI.

So now I’m left with some questions.  How did the surname Buell get attributed to Eunice?  Perhaps she married a man with the Buell surname and was widowed soon after.  Since I have never found a source other then word of mouth perhaps it was just family story.

Is Eunice Crossman the sister of Benjamin Crossman Jr.  This does seem very likely.  Crossman is not a common name, Benjamin and Eunice used the same church.  I need to find out if Eunice and Benjamin were born in Nova Scotia or PEI for sure.  I also need to try and find baptism records for them.  So far searching online hasn’t turned up anything.

I also checked my DNA matches on Family Tree DNA and AncestryDNA and found quite a few matches with the Crossman surname. 

I still have more work to do on this, but at this point Eunice’s surname being Crossman and not Buell seems to be very likely.

Thursday, November 28, 2013

Importing RootsMagic Shared Events Into Legacy 8

I was really excited when I received an email a few days ago announcing that Legacy 8 was now available.  While Legacy isn’t my main genealogy program I do like it.  I was especially looking forward to trying out their new shared facts/events feature.  Shared facts is an option that I use often in RootsMagic.  I was very interested to see if Legacy could import shared events from RootsMagic correctly.

I downloaded the standard (free) version of Legacy 8 and I was glad to see that shared events are useable in the free version.  I exported a GEDCOM of my database from RootsMagic 6 and imported it into Legacy 8.  Then I went to David Gallant’s profile as he has a number of shared census record events.  I was very happy to see they were all there.

legacy8-1The first column after the event descriptions shows a symbol with 2 people.  This indicates that the event is shared with other people.

legacy8-2When you click on edit the event window pops up.  I was disappointed to see that the event note was NOT carried over from RootsMagic.  It does generate an event sentence in the bottom part of the window, but the transcribed census that should show in the notes window is missing.  I can see the media was attached properly.

legacy8-3Clicking on the share events button brings up a window showing all the people linked to this event.  You can also add new people here.  In this window I see it has correctly  listed David Gallant’s second spouse and 2 children.  Legacy has imported the role types that I created in RootsMagic.

legacy8-4If you click on edit role a new window pops up.  Here you can select what role this person should have, or create a new one.  I was surprised to see for all people who are attached as a shared event person the notes DID get imported correctly.  Why would Legacy import this note but not the primary one? 

The sentence template in the bottom window needs a little work.  Legacy seems to use the role name in the event sentence.  I see a tab for overwriting the sentence for an individual.  To edit the sentence for the role globally you need to use the drop down role menu and go to the very bottom.  The create/edit role opens a menu to do this but I haven’t figured out how to code a new sentence yet.

I do like that on this screen you can mark the event as private and have the option to included the main event note of the primary person to the shared note.

legacy8-5When you open a persons edit window you can quickly see if the events are a shared event by the blue arrow shown before the fact.  Clicking on edit takes you directly to this persons event notes, there is also a text link to edit the primary persons event/note if needed. 

I’m very happy that Legacy 8 has the ability to import the shared events from RootsMagic!  It’s not quite perfect, with the main note missing and the sentences needing some work.  But this will still be a big help in sharing our GEDCOM files with others.  Now I’m going to have to try creating some new shared events in Legacy and see how RootsMagic imports them.

Thursday, August 8, 2013

How To Split RootsMagic Shared Facts With RMTrix

RootsMagic is my main genealogy program.  One feature it has that I just love is the ability to share facts between individuals.

Any fact can be shared, when entering a baptism you can share it to the god parents/sponsors.  You can share it to the minister.  When sharing a census you can share it to everyone in the household quickly.  This saves so much time from how I used to enter a census record by creating a new fact for each person, entering the date, place and their note and linking media and sources.  With shared facts this can all be done from the primary person’s screen very easily.

This is all well and good, until you decide that you want to upload your tree to Ancestry or RootsWeb.  Since the program tags for shared events are not standard GEDCOM tags these sites can not import them properly.  What I’ve found happens is the fact for the primary person, normally head of the house is imported but then the wife and children do not show their copy of the census.  This is also a big problem if you share a GEDCOM with another family researcher who does not use RootsMagic.

So what do you do?  Well until recently you only had two choices.  Use shared facts and live with their limitations or don’t use this great time saving feature to try and maintain the share ability of your database.

This past winter this topic came up on the RootsMagic mailing list and Tom Holden who runs the website SQLite Tools for RootsMagic decided to take on the challenge of developing a tool that would let users split shared facts into individual (normal) facts.  I’ve been using this tool often since he developed it and I have to say he’s done a wonderful job!

Tom has added the split shared events to his RMTrix utility and this makes it very easy to run with out any programming background!  Although I have never had a problem using RMTrix, I highly recommend you only use this on a COPY of your RootsMagic database! 


In the screenshot above you can see the RootsMagic edit person screen for one of my 3nd Great Grandmothers Elizabeth Gardiner.  On the left side of the 1871 census fact there is a green square with a white arrow in it.  This means Elizabeth has been added to this fact as a shared person.  On the right side of the screen we can see that 4 people share this fact.


The first step is to create a new database.  There are two ways to do this.  In RootsMagic you can go to the File menu and select COPY.  This will open a window were you can select where you want the database and give it a name.  This will make a copy of your entire file.

If you are working on just one line of your file I find it easier to go to the File menu and select NEW.  It will let you select the place and name of the file and I pick to start with typing data.

Once this is done it will open an empty database on the side of your screen.  While your original database is on the other side of the screen.  In this example above I selected David Gallant and dragged him over to the empty database.  I selected the option to include 2 generations of his descendants.  When this was done I closed RootsMagic and opened RMTrix.


After opening RMTrix go to the File menu and choose SELECT.  When the window come up select what RootsMagic database you want to work on.  Remember use your backup copy!


RMTrix has many helpful tools but the only one I’m going to share about today is the ones for working with shared events.  In the left sidebar click on the Events, the option on the bottom of the first window contains all the tools for working with shared events.


Select the first option that says SPLIT shared events to individual.  There is no progress bar but very quickly at the top of your screen you will see a message that says “Splitting shared events completed”.


After this go back to the events menu again and this time select UNSHARE.  What this does is to remove everyone who was added as a shared person to the original fact.

There are two more options you can use, but are not always necessary.  The third option is to RESHARE the events.  If you’ve decided you didn’t want to split the events this is how you undo it.  The final option is to HIDE TRACKS.  This is a permanent choice!  By hiding your tracks the re-share option will not work.  But since your working with a copy of your database this isn’t a big deal


Now when you open RootsMagic and view your database copy you will have all individual facts.  The screenshot above is again Elizabeth Gardiner.  Now there is no shared symbol beside her 1871 census fact and on the right side of the screen it does not say that anyone else shares this fact.


This is the note screen for Elizabeth Gardiner’s 1871 census.  You can see that her own personal note that had been added in the share screen was copied to here.  The image and sources were also copied over properly.  Had Elizabeth not have had a custom note then the note for the primary person would have been copied.


The screenshot above is for her husband David Gallant.  You can also see he still has his 1871 census fact and that it is not shared with anyone now.

At this point you can now export a GEDCOM to upload to a website or send to a family member and the facts should import normally.

RMTrix will convert shared census and residence facts to normal individual facts.  Facts that are a little more tricky such as a baptism sponsor are converted to a miscellaneous fact type with the name of Share,  their roll is entered into the description field. RMTrix includes who the person being baptized was as well and it works very well for me.  If you have shared events to people who are not in your database, an example could be the Minister who married a relative.  When you split the facts this Minister would be added on to the note of the primary person but the information is enclosed in privacy brackets.

RMTrix has been a huge help to me for making my RootsMagic database easy to share with others, with out losing the time saving option of sharing facts.  If you would like to try RMTrix you can download it for free at SQLite Tools for RootsMagic.  There are versions for both 32 bit and 64 bit Windows.

Do you use shared events in RootsMagic?

Sunday, July 28, 2013

Samuel Bivins

The first record I have found of Samuel Bivins I have found is when he married Esther Garran in Campbell County, Kentucky on the 17 January 1828.  David Badgerow is listed as their bondman.  Since the bondman is normally close family and David's wife was Keziah Bevins I believe that Samuel is likely her brother.

1830_Census_USA_Kentucky_Campbell_County_Samual_Bivins The next record for Samuel Bivins is the 1830 USA census.  Samuel's family is still living in Campbell County, Kentucky.  They are listed as:

Samuel Bivins
2 males under 5
1 male 20 to 29
1 female 15 to 19
1 female 20 to 29
3 persons under 20
2 persons 20 to 29

The 2 males under 5 are likely his first two sons Nathaniel and John.  1 male 20 to 29 is Samuel.  There are 2 females listed in the house hold 1 between the ages of 15 and 19 and 1 between the ages 20 and 29.  One of these would be Esther Garran, Samuels wife.  She is most likely the elder female as later records give her birth date around 1806.  Who is the younger teenage girl?  Perhaps a sister to Samuel or Esther?  Or possibly Samuel was married before his marriage to Esther and had a daughter?    It would be so helpful if these early census listed all members of the family wouldn’t it!

I have not been able to find Samuel's family in the 1840 USA census.  The next census I do find Samuel's family in is the 1850 USA Census.  They are now living in Mahaska County, Iowa.

1850_Census_USA_Iowa_Mahaska_Samuel_BivinsSamuel Bevins, age 50, male, farm, born in NY.
Esther Bevins, age 44, female, born in PA.
Nathanel Bevins, age 22, male, farm, born in KY.
John Bevins, age 21, male, farm, born in KY.
James Bevins, age 19, male, none, born in KY.
Joseph Bevins, age 16, male, none, born in Ohio.
Menirva Bevins, age 14, female, born in Ohio, attending school.
George Bevins, age 10, male, born in Ohio, attending school.
Bonapart Bevins, age 4, male, born in Ohio, attending school.

From the ages and birth places of their children it seems that Samuel lived in Kentucky until at least 1831 and had moved to Ohio around 1834 when their son Joseph Bivins was born.  This census lists all their remaining children as born in Ohio.  However Napoleon Bonaparte Bivins their youngest child does later list Indiana as his birth place.
Samuel Bivins gives his age as 50 so born in 1800 and in New York.  Esther gives her age as 44 so born in 1806 in Pennsylvania.  If the were living in Ohio why are they not recorded there in the 1840 census?  Perhaps the record is badly transcribed.  I will have to look again for them.

This census is the last record I've found with Samuel Bivins so far.  It seems that he died between 1850 and the next census in 1860.


In 1860 Esther is recorded as the head of house, living in Liberty, Marion County, Iowa.

Ester Bevans, age 53, female, born in PA, can not read or write, insane caused by fetr [sic] (fetor).
Napoleon B. Bevans, age 13, male, born in Ind., attending school.
John Bevans, age 31, male, born in KY.
Eliza J. Bevans, age 22, female, born in Iowa.
Andrew J. Bevans, age 4, male, born in Iowa.
Samuel H.  Bevans, age 10/12, male, born in Iowa.

Her youngest son Napoleon Bonaparte is living at home and attending school.  Her second oldest son John is married to Eliza J. and has two son's Andrew J. Bivins age four and Samuel H. Bivins 10 months old both born in Iowa.

That is the last record I can find for Esther Bivins (Garran).   I’ve continued to trace their children and will share what I’ve found soon.  So far I have not found anything that proves what the relationship between Samuel Bivins and my Keziah Bevins is.  So far I know they both state they were born in New York, they were a few years apart in age.  Keziah born 1797 and Samuel 1800 and Keziah’s husband was the bondman for Samuel’s marriage.

There were some Bivins/Bevins who  moved from Springwater, New York where Keziah married David Badgerow and settled near where David would have lived.  They were on the Ohio side of the boarder, perhaps this is why Samuel moved into Ohio?  I will be working on these families in more detail soon and I hope that something will turn up to connect this group together.